Någon som vet varför ledarbåten ABN Amro one har lagt om kursen till nästan syd och tappat farten katastrofalt gentemot \"the pack\"?
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Volvo Ocean Race
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Mike Sanderson has put on the right turn indicator and taken a side road off the highway towards Australia. For reasons of wind hunting the leading ABN AMRO boat is, at 1600GMT, heading south at some 16 knots in 17 knots of wind. In a radio interview Mike referred to this strategy probably losing them a lot of distance, even up to 130 nautical miles, but clearly he is concerned that people see this as a part of the plan, “We need to prepare people that we are going to lose big time; up to 130 miles. We don’t want people to think that this is going to turn into another drama. It’s all part of the plan.”
Looking at the weather maps, it doesn’t look as though it will be long before ABN AMRO ONE gybes back and continues sailing to the east, however. There are breezes of up to 25 knots just ahead so once they reach those the gybe will doubtless happen and the leader will stop haemorrhaging valuable miles.
Already the lead has dropped by just under 100 miles to 288 miles to ABN AMRO TWO and Pirates have caught up on TWO by nine miles. This puts Pirates in third by just 29 miles behind the second ABN AMRO boat.
Pirates seem to be on fire – not literally, we’ve had quite enough of that – at the moment and are opening up from movistar while at the same time hunting down ABN AMRO TWO. Pirate’s speed made good is up to 23.3 knots and their spot speed at the 1600GMT poll is holding on at 20 knots in 27 knots of wind. movistar have dropped back to 45 miles from Pirates and their continuing strategy of being the most northerly boat seems to be doing them no favours even if they do seem to be curving down south slowly. They have to continue to sail the hottest apparent wind angles, though, which means that they can’t close on the course of ABN AMRO TWO and Pirates without giving away miles as they sail deeper (further downwind) and slower.
ING Real Estate Brunel hasn’t reported any problems, but they are only doing eight knots in 18 knots of wind. They have been trashing spinnakers with a horrible regularity so it might mean more sewing for Mark Fullerton their on board sailmaker. Their current tardiness means that they have fallen back a little on movistar and are now 416 miles behind them.
movistar have been having an odd day. They have fallen back from Pirates – or rather Pirates have pulled away – but Bouwe Bekking’s boys have posted the best 24 hour run to the 1600GMT position report at 427 miles and the fastest 24 hour speed at 17.8 knots.
Looking at the weather maps, it doesn’t look as though it will be long before ABN AMRO ONE gybes back and continues sailing to the east, however. There are breezes of up to 25 knots just ahead so once they reach those the gybe will doubtless happen and the leader will stop haemorrhaging valuable miles.
Already the lead has dropped by just under 100 miles to 288 miles to ABN AMRO TWO and Pirates have caught up on TWO by nine miles. This puts Pirates in third by just 29 miles behind the second ABN AMRO boat.
Pirates seem to be on fire – not literally, we’ve had quite enough of that – at the moment and are opening up from movistar while at the same time hunting down ABN AMRO TWO. Pirate’s speed made good is up to 23.3 knots and their spot speed at the 1600GMT poll is holding on at 20 knots in 27 knots of wind. movistar have dropped back to 45 miles from Pirates and their continuing strategy of being the most northerly boat seems to be doing them no favours even if they do seem to be curving down south slowly. They have to continue to sail the hottest apparent wind angles, though, which means that they can’t close on the course of ABN AMRO TWO and Pirates without giving away miles as they sail deeper (further downwind) and slower.
ING Real Estate Brunel hasn’t reported any problems, but they are only doing eight knots in 18 knots of wind. They have been trashing spinnakers with a horrible regularity so it might mean more sewing for Mark Fullerton their on board sailmaker. Their current tardiness means that they have fallen back a little on movistar and are now 416 miles behind them.
movistar have been having an odd day. They have fallen back from Pirates – or rather Pirates have pulled away – but Bouwe Bekking’s boys have posted the best 24 hour run to the 1600GMT position report at 427 miles and the fastest 24 hour speed at 17.8 knots.
Close race om siste plass?
ING Real Estate Brunel har problem med sin revanordning i masten hvilket i øyeblikket tvinger dem til å seile med 3 rev. Skipper Grant Wharington uttaler: \"The third reef on a Volvo 70 is about the size of an Optimist mainsail\"
Problemet er tydeligvis ikke mulig å få løst underveis. Får de ikke mer fart på båten enn de har hatt på de siste 6 timene ligger Brasil 1 an til å ta dem igjen og slå dem med 2 døgn på denne etappen. Selvfølgelig en vill gjetning men helt i teten er det jo ikke så spennende lenger?
Problemet er tydeligvis ikke mulig å få løst underveis. Får de ikke mer fart på båten enn de har hatt på de siste 6 timene ligger Brasil 1 an til å ta dem igjen og slå dem med 2 døgn på denne etappen. Selvfølgelig en vill gjetning men helt i teten er det jo ikke så spennende lenger?
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Så det slaget söderut hade ändå ingenting med Kerguelen Islands att göra?Anonymous skrev:Mike Sanderson has put on the right turn indicator and taken a side road off the highway towards Australia. For reasons of wind hunting the leading ABN AMRO boat is, at 1600GMT, heading south at some 16 knots in 17 knots of wind. In a radio interview Mike referred to this strategy probably losing them a lot of distance, even up to 130 nautical miles, but clearly he is concerned that people see this as a part of the plan, “We need to prepare people that we are going to lose big time; up to 130 miles. We don’t want people to think that this is going to turn into another drama. It’s all part of the plan.”
Looking at the weather maps, it doesn’t look as though it will be long before ABN AMRO ONE gybes back and continues sailing to the east, however. There are breezes of up to 25 knots just ahead so once they reach those the gybe will doubtless happen and the leader will stop haemorrhaging valuable miles.
Already the lead has dropped by just under 100 miles to 288 miles to ABN AMRO TWO and Pirates have caught up on TWO by nine miles. This puts Pirates in third by just 29 miles behind the second ABN AMRO boat.
Pirates seem to be on fire – not literally, we’ve had quite enough of that – at the moment and are opening up from movistar while at the same time hunting down ABN AMRO TWO. Pirate’s speed made good is up to 23.3 knots and their spot speed at the 1600GMT poll is holding on at 20 knots in 27 knots of wind. movistar have dropped back to 45 miles from Pirates and their continuing strategy of being the most northerly boat seems to be doing them no favours even if they do seem to be curving down south slowly. They have to continue to sail the hottest apparent wind angles, though, which means that they can’t close on the course of ABN AMRO TWO and Pirates without giving away miles as they sail deeper (further downwind) and slower.
ING Real Estate Brunel hasn’t reported any problems, but they are only doing eight knots in 18 knots of wind. They have been trashing spinnakers with a horrible regularity so it might mean more sewing for Mark Fullerton their on board sailmaker. Their current tardiness means that they have fallen back a little on movistar and are now 416 miles behind them.
movistar have been having an odd day. They have fallen back from Pirates – or rather Pirates have pulled away – but Bouwe Bekking’s boys have posted the best 24 hour run to the 1600GMT position report at 427 miles and the fastest 24 hour speed at 17.8 knots.
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Two Ice Gates have been added to the course to keep the boats out of the worst of the mass of ice bergs that have calved off Antartica thanks to Global Warming. The first gate is a line 400 nautical miles long at 42 degrees south, extending from 45 degrees east to 51 degrees 45 minutes east. The second is a line 500 miles long at 42 degrees south extending from 69 degrees east to 77 degrees east. Boats have to either pass completely north of each line, or cut each one to pass to the north at some point along their length. The fleet has a scoring gate at the Kergeulen Islands which is Longitude 70 degrees east then, as they close on Australia, they will have to pass north of Eclipse Island at the South west corner of Australia. From Eclipse it’s just a canter to Melbourne.
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OK, det "konstiga" slaget söderut hade alltså inte med grinden vid Kerguelen Islands att göra?gäst skrev:Two Ice Gates have been added to the course to keep the boats out of the worst of the mass of ice bergs that have calved off Antartica thanks to Global Warming. The first gate is a line 400 nautical miles long at 42 degrees south, extending from 45 degrees east to 51 degrees 45 minutes east. The second is a line 500 miles long at 42 degrees south extending from 69 degrees east to 77 degrees east. Boats have to either pass completely north of each line, or cut each one to pass to the north at some point along their length. The fleet has a scoring gate at the Kergeulen Islands which is Longitude 70 degrees east then, as they close on Australia, they will have to pass north of Eclipse Island at the South west corner of Australia. From Eclipse it’s just a canter to Melbourne.
Hej Dan,Ravage skrev:Nu har Piraternas kölkonstruktion havererat så pass mycket att vatten läcker in i båten. De har reducerat segelytan men kör ändå på 80 % av max eftersom de inte vill ligga därute för länge och springa på vindar som innebär kryssbogar.
Taskigt läge !
/Dan
Skall vi sjösätte din Ravage? Vi kan vel tilsamman med dom aktiva här på forumet vel bli 5'or på dette leg av racet. Men så skall vi starte NU
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Det kanske till och med hade varit tillräckligt med trissen, den hade nog hållt ihop bättre än VO 70:ornaSteen skrev:Hej Dan,Ravage skrev:Nu har Piraternas kölkonstruktion havererat så pass mycket att vatten läcker in i båten. De har reducerat segelytan men kör ändå på 80 % av max eftersom de inte vill ligga därute för länge och springa på vindar som innebär kryssbogar.
Taskigt läge !
/Dan
Skall vi sjösätte din Ravage? Vi kan vel tilsamman med dom aktiva här på forumet vel bli 5'or på dette leg av racet. Men så skall vi starte NU
/Dan
När f-n går starten ?
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'Sverker skrev:Nu har första båten gått i mål i Melbourne. Amro ONE tycks inte ha haft några större problem hittills.
Så allt tal om VOR-båtarnas oduglighet verkar överdriven. Alltför många av deltagarbåtarna var inte tillräckligt inseglade, det är hela saken.
Om två, tre båtar fullföljer utan problem, några fullföljer med problem, några bryter med allvarliga problem och vädergudarna varit hyfsat nådiga - då är allt väl och "odugligheten överdriven"?
Snarare skulle jag vilja föreslå att problemen med VOR-båtarna visar att parametrarna i de använda beräkningsmodellerna är helt orealistiska och/eller visar på ett mindre gott omdöme och realism hos konstruktörerna. Man kan givetvis inte "segla in" en komponent eller konstruktionslösning som inte håller måttet, den måste räknas om och bytas ut. Man har helt enkelt haft en naiv tro på räknekonsten och chansat vilt, och nu får man lära om.
//HQ
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Herr Q skrev:'Sverker skrev:Nu har första båten gått i mål i Melbourne. Amro ONE tycks inte ha haft några större problem hittills.
Så allt tal om VOR-båtarnas oduglighet verkar överdriven. Alltför många av deltagarbåtarna var inte tillräckligt inseglade, det är hela saken.
Om två, tre båtar fullföljer utan problem, några fullföljer med problem, några bryter med allvarliga problem och vädergudarna varit hyfsat nådiga - då är allt väl och "odugligheten överdriven"?
Snarare skulle jag vilja föreslå att problemen med VOR-båtarna visar att parametrarna i de använda beräkningsmodellerna är helt orealistiska och/eller visar på ett mindre gott omdöme och realism hos konstruktörerna. Man kan givetvis inte "segla in" en komponent eller konstruktionslösning som inte håller måttet, den måste räknas om och bytas ut. Man har helt enkelt haft en naiv tro på räknekonsten och chansat vilt, och nu får man lära om.
//HQ
Med att "segla in" båtarna menar jag naturligtvis att ABN-teamet har prövat sig fram till de tekniska lösningar som håller måttet. Så här långt verkar ABN ha kommit längre än övriga. Om ABN kan, så skulle naturligtvis också de andra teamen ha kunnat göra det, men de har inte varit tillräckligt förberedda.
Så det där med ett odugligt båtkoncept är det nog för tidigt att döma om.